Comments on: the seeking of pleasure for pleasure’s sake- part 2 http://capturedperspective.com/2009/09/20/the-seeking-of-pleasure-for-pleasures-sake-part-2/ "The ultimate end is that this writing and conversation will provide a better foundation for each of us to engage with and act in the unique part of the world we occupy." Fri, 23 Jul 2010 00:27:23 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: 150cc motor scooter http://capturedperspective.com/2009/09/20/the-seeking-of-pleasure-for-pleasures-sake-part-2/#comment-692 150cc motor scooter Sun, 02 May 2010 07:53:21 +0000 http://capturedperspective.com/?p=1256#comment-692 Brilliant post,Maybe I might sign up to your rss. Brilliant post,Maybe I might sign up to your rss.

]]> By: Peter Boumgarden http://capturedperspective.com/2009/09/20/the-seeking-of-pleasure-for-pleasures-sake-part-2/#comment-494 Peter Boumgarden Tue, 22 Sep 2009 04:36:37 +0000 http://capturedperspective.com/?p=1256#comment-494 Ok.... so to sum up: lindsey says a functional solution is appropriate peter too says a functional solution works for him Carrie seems to suggest that this approach isn't going far enough (e.g. 1 car), and thus not that impressive. Kate seems to argue that it is the movement towards a larger goal (1 car at a time) that works best Tim only feels good about the car being someone elses, though would ideally like to withhold judgment across all conditions. I think this suggests as a whole that we struggle with the right motives, and especially feel like there can be justifications following out behavior, which feel somewhat cheap. I am going to make an argument that ethical decisions come out of the narrative arch of one's life, and that this makes it hard to make some all-knowing judgment on individuals (a la Tim), but that there still might be subjective movements in the right direction in so much as our life is constituted by certain ends which we strive for... not sure if i can do it, but ill try :) Ok…. so to sum up:
lindsey says a functional solution is appropriate
peter too says a functional solution works for him
Carrie seems to suggest that this approach isn’t going far enough (e.g. 1 car), and thus not that impressive.
Kate seems to argue that it is the movement towards a larger goal (1 car at a time) that works best
Tim only feels good about the car being someone elses, though would ideally like to withhold judgment across all conditions.

I think this suggests as a whole that we struggle with the right motives, and especially feel like there can be justifications following out behavior, which feel somewhat cheap. I am going to make an argument that ethical decisions come out of the narrative arch of one’s life, and that this makes it hard to make some all-knowing judgment on individuals (a la Tim), but that there still might be subjective movements in the right direction in so much as our life is constituted by certain ends which we strive for…

not sure if i can do it, but ill try :)

]]> By: Tim http://capturedperspective.com/2009/09/20/the-seeking-of-pleasure-for-pleasures-sake-part-2/#comment-493 Tim Tue, 22 Sep 2009 02:02:16 +0000 http://capturedperspective.com/?p=1256#comment-493 If I was half of the couple in question, I would feel alright only with justification 1. But I think anyone could certainly come up with situations to justify each of the numbers on the list... If I am looking at others, their carbon footprints, their ethical decisions, well even if it isn't how I realistically operate now (now I would probably judge hardcore on all of the justifications), the ideal would be to withhold judgment, as much as possible. For ethical decisions that are not bound by law (and sometimes even then), I simply can't see developing any system that could provide us the omniscience wherein we Could create a satisfyingly accurate/fitting judgment. If I was half of the couple in question, I would feel alright only with justification 1. But I think anyone could certainly come up with situations to justify each of the numbers on the list…

If I am looking at others, their carbon footprints, their ethical decisions, well even if it isn’t how I realistically operate now (now I would probably judge hardcore on all of the justifications), the ideal would be to withhold judgment, as much as possible.

For ethical decisions that are not bound by law (and sometimes even then), I simply can’t see developing any system that could provide us the omniscience wherein we Could create a satisfyingly accurate/fitting judgment.

]]> By: Kate Davelaar http://capturedperspective.com/2009/09/20/the-seeking-of-pleasure-for-pleasures-sake-part-2/#comment-492 Kate Davelaar Tue, 22 Sep 2009 01:46:15 +0000 http://capturedperspective.com/?p=1256#comment-492 I would have to say that number 2 is the most persuasive. In the sense that they are making an effort (baby steps). And no, neither of the options (3,4) that indicate a sense of pleasure for pleasure sake are compelling to me. And finally, I have never met anyone who uses their Hummer for off-road riding. I know, I know...sweeping generalization. I am prepared for rebuke on any reader out there who has used a Hummer of off-road riding. I would have to say that number 2 is the most persuasive. In the sense that they are making an effort (baby steps).

And no, neither of the options (3,4) that indicate a sense of pleasure for pleasure sake are compelling to me.

And finally, I have never met anyone who uses their Hummer for off-road riding. I know, I know…sweeping generalization. I am prepared for rebuke on any reader out there who has used a Hummer of off-road riding.

]]> By: Carrie http://capturedperspective.com/2009/09/20/the-seeking-of-pleasure-for-pleasures-sake-part-2/#comment-491 Carrie Mon, 21 Sep 2009 21:57:04 +0000 http://capturedperspective.com/?p=1256#comment-491 Part of me doesn't want to answer this question since I probably pass enough judgment as it is, but since you asked... Regardless of the other car, I probably wouldn't be that impressed with the Prius purchase. Sure, it's better than a Hummer, but it's still a car that requires gas and doesn't represent any real lifestyle changes on the part of the consumer. For what it's worth, I do know a couple in U. City (with two young kids) who about a year ago purchased a Prius and got rid of all their other vehicles. I'm not that impressed that their only car is a Prius, but I am impressed at the changes they've adopted to make it work (ie. taking turns walking/biking/public transport to get to work, etc.) Part of me doesn’t want to answer this question since I probably pass enough judgment as it is, but since you asked…

Regardless of the other car, I probably wouldn’t be that impressed with the Prius purchase. Sure, it’s better than a Hummer, but it’s still a car that requires gas and doesn’t represent any real lifestyle changes on the part of the consumer.

For what it’s worth, I do know a couple in U. City (with two young kids) who about a year ago purchased a Prius and got rid of all their other vehicles. I’m not that impressed that their only car is a Prius, but I am impressed at the changes they’ve adopted to make it work (ie. taking turns walking/biking/public transport to get to work, etc.)

]]> By: petertuuk http://capturedperspective.com/2009/09/20/the-seeking-of-pleasure-for-pleasures-sake-part-2/#comment-490 petertuuk Mon, 21 Sep 2009 16:25:47 +0000 http://capturedperspective.com/?p=1256#comment-490 Yeah, I would say that (4) or its variants based on the utility of a larger vehicle (if not necessarily a hummer) are persuasive. This is even more true if the smaller more fuel efficient vehicle is the one used for the long daily commute. Yeah, I would say that (4) or its variants based on the utility of a larger vehicle (if not necessarily a hummer) are persuasive. This is even more true if the smaller more fuel efficient vehicle is the one used for the long daily commute.

]]> By: lindsey http://capturedperspective.com/2009/09/20/the-seeking-of-pleasure-for-pleasures-sake-part-2/#comment-489 lindsey Mon, 21 Sep 2009 16:16:21 +0000 http://capturedperspective.com/?p=1256#comment-489 Every single couple I know that owns a Prius, also owns an SUV. Their reasoning for keeping the SUV is for the extra cargo room that a small Prius does not offer - whether it's for hauling large items or carting multiple kids in carseats around. It makes sense to me, and like you said, it's better than owning two SUVs, right? Every single couple I know that owns a Prius, also owns an SUV. Their reasoning for keeping the SUV is for the extra cargo room that a small Prius does not offer – whether it’s for hauling large items or carting multiple kids in carseats around. It makes sense to me, and like you said, it’s better than owning two SUVs, right?

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